Pedro Sánchez has already competed in the Wild league, as have Feijóo and Colau. Without a denim shirt, with a vest, rolled up his sleeves and ready, he said, to be put in a bind and to start with that "Spain is doing better today." He then explains that he came into the world "as a penalty" and that his grandparents did not know how to read or write: "All that opened a wound in me, I take social injustice very badly," he begins.
The tender message does not penetrate and the interviewer insists on the ego and Sánchez affirms that when he reviews his daily life he finds "always more positive things than negative." Furthermore, he emphasizes: "I look back on these eight years and sincerely believe that Spain is experiencing one of the best moments of its democracy today."
Wild hammers with the chants and memes that people dedicate to him in public shows and Sánchez gets his daughters into dancing, lamenting that when they hear that in the clubs they leave the party. The president tries to victimize himself with the insults directed at him and stumbles, Wild reminds him that the tension and insults are "two-way" and Sánchez's gesture becomes tense when Jordi insists that "the mud is shared by everyone", that "everyone has crossed the line."
The accidents involving Adamuz and Urda arise in the conversation and the candidate takes refuge behind "Rajoy's cuts" and the desire of "all Spaniards for the AVE to reach their city" and then defends himself by ensuring that his Government has combined the maintenance of the roads with the provision of the service to citizens. And he says: "The railway system in our country is safe."
He also states that "it is still not known what exactly happened in Adamuz" and that what happened in Urda seems "clearer" to him. He then defends Óscar Puente "for having stood up and offered solutions" and, furthermore, "taking a step aside." Surprising statement after he was the one who tried to retain the minister until the last minute.
Sánchez tries to slide the topic towards his favorite enemies: Ayuso and the dead in the residences and Mazón in the dana, but Wild tightens the screws and the socialist enters a defensive phase remembering the misfortunes he has had to face: the La Palma volcano, the dana, the pandemic, the fires... Self-criticism begins to seem like a word in Russian to the interviewer. "If Puente had not resigned, would you have fired him?" Blank response.
Ceuta comes to light. Pedro Sánchez insists that it was never known that more than 80,000 people were going to enter the autonomous city and adds that he "does not" have "information to accuse an entire Government, that of Morocco" of the avalanche. To justify his management he adds: "We face a dilemma: do we shoot up all these kids or absorb them?"
"I was working full time"
He also denies the claim of paying "compliance" to Rabat but ends up acknowledging that the migration crisis suffered by Ceuta "was not managed well." Wild does not understand that during the crisis the president went on vacation to La Mareta and blurts out: "If you are burned out you could step aside." It is at that moment that the president denies having gone on vacation: "A President of the Government is on call 24/7 and I was working all the time. And I went to Ceuta on the first day to show my face." "The sole control was me, who was working full time, in an official state residence, with my family, but working."
Corruption comes next. Sánchez repeats that he is "embarrassed" and adds that he "thought so", that José Luis Ábalos was "his friend". He also explains that in his attempt to return to the General Secretariat there were two stages: the first in which he was alone in the car touring Spain, until one day he fell asleep in the Peugeot and was about to give himself "a hell of a shit." From there the second phase began, when a group of like-minded people agreed to go with him and drive. The first was Juanma Serrano with his Mercedes.
"With Koldo, I barely had a relationship. With Ábalos and Santos, yes. But I didn't know that José Luis used prostitution," he recalls. At this point, the podcast's verifiers bring up a list of laudatory messages from Sánchez dedicated to Koldo on social networks. The president hides behind the fact that some of these messages are from 2014 and assures that his praise was a mere "recognition" of his work.
More explanations: "When the recordings came out I was very disappointed. From a political point of view José Luis was very brilliant but... he had a B side." "I didn't believe it. He never told me that he had that double life." He also doesn't know anything about Leire Díez. "I don't know exactly what this woman has done from a crime standpoint." "I have not had any meeting with her as president."
The Zapatero case could not be missed. Sánchez assures that "right now" the former president, "the last thing he wants is to have the jewelry" that was found in the safe in his office. And he says: "I put my hand in the fire for José Luis. I believe in his innocence."
Housing, already at the end of the broadcast, gives rise to the candidate to insist that there are already between 120,000 and 130,000 public apartments in the process of ending up in the hands of citizens. Sánchez assures that he will "fulfill" his 2023 commitment to build 180,000 homes. He also insists that the State's intervention in the rental market "is already beginning to work" unlike, he said, what happens in the Community of Madrid, which is "the West, the law of the jungle."
Wild closes the debate by reminding him that there are many people angry with him and his "changes of opinion" about the amnesty, the pacts with Bildu, the independence of the Constitutional Court, the entry of Podemos into the Government, the Sahara or the repeal of the gag law.
